Canadian Hoops Talk

blueandgold · Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 268

Mr Wilson- Dennis the Menace here.
A retort to your sell out to the states arguments for tution costs. My experience with a multitude of friends who went down south on scholarships is this. Out of say a hundred who went down , a handful came back with degrees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In Canada in the CIS you finish your degrees generally and you go to class to stay eligible. So, in the end what did the money get you at Chico State , ST. Martins college or an excellent college in Butte, Montana other than inferior beer at parties and anonymity in their sports world. Count the exceptions who succeed (I am talking guys not girls) and get a degree. Not many.
Yet, stay in Canada get a degree and have a chance to play for a Canadian national championship. IF SFU took this route to save dollars that is shameful. Leave your country to save a few dollars an play in a mediocre at best league. CIS teams (some) played exhibtion games against Div. 1 teams like Kansas and Marquette to challenge themselves not sentence themselves to mediocrity by their institution to save a few pennies and help the american economy by spending our dollars down south. For what. A chance to pretend they made the big times- what a joke and a sell out.
Shame SFU , shame. Good on Clark to bail.

pistol pete · Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 1653 Location: ottawa

You know B and G, considering you are a staunch UBC fan, and UBC has been contemplating
a move to the NCAA as well, you really should get off your high horse.
NCAA D2 isn't Kentucky or Kansas but it certainly isn't inferior to the CIS.
In fact, the opposite is true.
Just look at SFU's exhibition results against Western Washington and Seattle Pacific this past year and
you'll realize there is nothing "mediocre" about the GNAC.
Simon Fraser wasn't "selling out" when they joined the NCAA, they were simply returning
more or less to the league they were forced to leave a decade ago.
SFU competed in the NAIA for more than thirty years so I don't know why you are
so indignant that they'd want to return.
It wasn't SFU's choice to play in the CIS.

mrwilson · Joined: 22 Apr 2010 Posts: 6

Courtside · Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 387

The next couple of years may be rough but if this move helps more Canadian players get a full scholarship then its a great move. The school's emphasis on academics will not change.

It's not an anti Canadian move nor a pro American move. Back in their NAIA days SFU had much more of an identity with recruiting than they do now. As PP says they are returning to their roots.
But I'll miss them in the CIS, no question. I wish them well.

What is awkward is that now they are doing quite a bit of fundraising for athletics but that was fairly absent in the last 10 years. Perhaps that speaks to the interest this move has sparked in the alumni. Certainly Jay Triano is front and centre with his endorsation and assistance.

VanCityHoops · Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Posts: 2

Apparently SFU was interviewing over the weekend; there could be an announcement as early as this week.

the Drake · Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 196

I have heard that it is between Virgil Hill who played at SFU and coached CIS back in Ontario (Laurentian I think) and Tony Dominguez who is the assistant at Western Washington. Whoever gets it is going to be in for a very rude awakening as they are going to get destroyed in a big way next year and potentially for years to come.

blueandgold · Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 268

HIll has credibility locally while Dominguez does not really although he ran the summer camps at WWU which some Canadian high schools go to. I cannot remember any male players recruited successfully by WWU so my conclusion is he does / has not have / had connections in B.C. at schools. Hill does. Just an opinion.

Courtside · Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 387

If these two are the two finalists then my money is on Dominguez. Getting an assistant from arguably the top school in the conference, who knows the league and the inner workings will be a plus. Western Washington is a very well run program. Certainly this is not suggesting any negatives on Hill I just think the adding of the WW fella is a good move at this time.

Bigsmoke · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 283

Courtside · Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 387

[quote="Bigsmoke"

The real question might be who takes a job with a salary rumoured to be at the lower end of CIS scale, significant fundraising activities and a rebuilding team in a new conference with very little time to recruit for this coming season. All that and live in the most expensive part of BC where housing prices are insane.[/quote]

conversely who wouldn't want to develop their skills in a job, of which only a handful exist, in one of the great cities in the world. with a salary that will exceed $75,000 and you have the opportunity to build something new and exciting.

Guess I'm a glass half full kinda guy

Jabog · Joined: 19 Nov 2003 Posts: 18

I think the last guy to have this job before Scott Clark has a pretty nice job. If you do a good job here your next paying job could be substantial.

That being said this will be a tough job starting from almost scratch.

ebe · Joined: 20 Nov 2003 Posts: 641

shoesize22 · Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 1